The major role of personality that I saw was that of John Adams. He wasn't allowed to give the "independence resolution" because he was overwhelmingly viewd as loud and obnoxious.
The personality of John Adams to others was loud and obnoxious. A lot of people thought that in the congress. Some people in the congress only thought that John Adams wanted independence just for himself because Adams thought his taxes were too high. Some state representatives thought it wasn't important enought to be discussed because of those things.
John Adams was the initial personality that turned people off of the independence discussions, but the Henry Lee, a gentleman from the south played a very pivotal role. He won over a lot of people who were against it solely because they did not like Adams.
The major role of personality that i saw was John Adams. In Congress, he was found to be obnoxious, so nobody really listened to what he had to say. John Adams was very bold and opinionated about his ideas, but so was the representative from Virginia(sorry. can't recall his name)to a point where John Adams and him got into a scuffle during the session.
Haha, very clever Scurvy Legs Mcgee. I also must agree that John Adams turned everyone off to the idea of independence buy bringing up the topic too frequently and too loudly. Richard H. Lee was also pretty obnoxious and full of himself. But to defend the early personalities, Ben Franklin charmed all the representatives with the idea of independence using his great wit and reasoning.
It was evident in the movie that John Adams was all for Independence. When he spoke in congress he was very intense and many of the delegates were openly frustrated and annoyed by what he said. Before they could even consider his proposals, they were against his personality so when they finally did hear what he had to say their dislike of him caused them to automatically dislike his opinions. Once Henry Lee came into the picture people were open to considering his ideas because they saw him as an honorable gentleman who surely knew what he was talking about.
While I think John Adams def. had a very outspoken personality and has a reputaion for it, i also think John Dickinson of Penn. was very arrogant and quick to point a finger. I also think what John Adams said about Dickinson always playing it safe so he wouldn't be in trouble with anyone was very true! And when you have two very outspoken people who tend to only see there way, they're going to butt heads!
Defiantly John Adams,he was the loudest,obnoxious,and well openly disliked as said by Ben Franklin. Also Richard Henry Lee, a loud crazy southerner seemed to stand out in the movie because without him, independence wouldn't have happened.
clearly, John Adams was discriminated upon by his boisterous and somewhat annoying personality on the issue of independence. The colony representatives couldn't broaden their horizons enough to see past their personal vendettas towards Adams and value what was good for their country, not their pride.
As everyone has pointed out before me, John Adams was loud, outspoken, and determined to achieve independence, although it wasn't what all the colony's wanted. but i would also like to point out that the senators may not had the people's best interests in mind when they made discisions on everything, not just independence. The senators may have just been keeping their own interests in mind. and i greatly appreciated it when the senator from Georgia said that he voted "nay" on the behalf of the people he represents, and not on what he personally thinks, and that, i think, is the largest effect that individual personalities had.
As everyone else already beat me to saying, John Adams personality played a pivitol role in that since people saw him as loud and obnoxious, no one wanted to side with him. However, I felt that they made the Virginia representative seem almost stupid, and that was the reason he sided with Adams and fought for independence alongside him. They also made Franklin to be the very wise, genius he was and they made the representative from Pennsylvania very arogant, which was shown as indirectly as he refused to side with independence.
The personalities of major figures, did indeed play a major role in the early discussion of the concept of Independence. Two of the largest personalities we saw in the first few scenes of the movie, were those of John Adams and Benjamin Franklin. John's personality was very strong in the sense that all he thought about was how he wanted independence for the colonies. Franklin was the same way, but he let the representatives with different ideas speak their mind. He was more lenient toward them than John was, even though he strongly believed in the need for Independence.
The personalities definately had an effect on how things turned out. John Adams was indeed portrayed as loud, obnoxious, and he repeated himself so much that people started ignoring him...or trying to at least. Alot of the representatives were followers, they waited to see what other people said, and would just do the same. Alot of people were followers with the concept of Independence. There were those who were strongly for it, strongly against it, and then there was the others. They were influenced by one side or the other, because they couldnt make up their own minds
As most everyone else has said, John Adams was obnoxious and argumentative, trying to get others to discuss the issue of independence. Since he was already disliked, trying to open up a discussion of idnependence was out of the question. They all thought he wanted to do it for himself, not really trying to help represent his colony. I also agree with skcowgirl about Richard Henry Lee.
The Personality of John Adams really stood out to me because he was very obsessive with the face that the colonies needed to declare independance and he was not getting the support he needed be he still kept fighting and being very stubborn about the indepenedance of the colonies. I see the personality of John Adams to be a great leader. Each group needs somebody like him to get a point across.
Providing a foil to the obnoxious-ness of John Adams, Richard Henry Lee played a pivotal role in getting the topic of Independence onto the floor of Congress. Without Lee (and therefore Virginia), it is my belief that the USA would still be a british colony, today.
As many of the bloggers have already stated the personality of Samual Adams was a prominent component in turning other congresional leaders of the colonies against the proposed independence. His controlling smug personality made people not want be in alliance with him almost putting the independence of the nation in jeopardy. Also the personality of the delegate from Rhode Island shows that one may be written off as a drunk but at the end can have a major role in the independence.
Including John Adams, as well as few others, the personalities of the people who present the concepts [whether it be independence or any new law] has a huge role in how well it goes over with everyone else. If something is presented well and made to sound convincing, there is a higher chance that more people will be drawn to it and agree. The opposite is true as well; if the presenter only seems half into the idea, not many others will consider it. Although with Adams, he was almost too into it. There were only so many times the rest of the committee was willing to hear his pitch about it. His over persistence made them pull away from the idea because they were sick of him, not just the idea.
Major figures' personalities played a huge role when it came to discussing the very idea of independence, as it does in many situations; people are often biased that way...if that makes sense. Most of the other representatives simply could not stand John Adams' proud, opinionated and brazen personality, and because of that they would not even bother to hear his argument - so, stubbornly, he forced it upon them over and over. If calm and witty Ben Franklin hadn't convinced fiery Adams to stand down and allow amiable, more...er...pleasant Lee to take a chance, things'd be quite different. Sometimes being stubborn helps, but it gets you nowhere with other stubborn people.
Personalities played a major role because everyone had a different one. Adams personality was very commanding and one minded. Franklin on the other hand with age on his side was more laid back and new things would get done but it would take time. Then there was Lee the happy go lucky I can do anything kind of personality thrown into the mix. Together I believe each personality helps the other balance out. In a time where people had such set opinions sometimes it is good having someone as fiery as Adams in there to really get them rallied up.
They personalities played a MAJOR role in the early discussion of Independence, because if it wasnt for their bositerous. challenging personalities, then they would'nt have ever said anything!!! But they were obnoxious enough to stand up for their rights, and that was the first step!
Everybody played a pivotal role in this film. Ben Franklin had the smart, witty humor, that not only lightened up the film, but gave an insight to how intuitive he actually was.
I agree with black lizzy, adams'proposals wwere rejercted due to the fact that he was annoying and loud but when someone who was viewed as a "gentleman" proposed the idea of revolution, the congress agreed to debate it.
Yes, John Adams being obnoxious and disliked played a pivotal role in the early discussion of "Independence" - he was like a broken record and the delegates tried to tune hime out. I like what tiffany jagger said how a lot of the representatives were followers. One of the men from Pennsylvania just wants the other delegate to like him so he agrees with whatever he says no matter what; giving in to "peer pressure". Henry Lee's strong reputation caused other's to listen and change their minds, and good humored Ben Franklin was smart and well-respected by everyone(a plus for independence).
Many people have brought up the fact that John Adams does have a very demanding, passionate and firm personality. This definitely fires up the Congress and it could even change one's view of the entire concept of independence. When you see someone is so passionate about something it shows that what they are saying may be true because they put in a lot of thought and feeling into it. But it could also not be something you agree with, it could be only an opinion. Then there is also Ben Franklin, the elder who is very laid back about what is to come in the future. I feel part of this reason could be because he is old and is not going to be around for that much longer. And he is aware of that.
i agree with slappy. most of the "representatives" were self centered white oligarchs who were not worried about the common man's thoughts and interest. only a few characters were which made them stand out. John adams, tomas jefferson, and ben Franklin
You all are missing the fact that Edward Rutledge and Dickinson are the reason that our independence was such an amazing occurance. I think they played a larger role than any other two representatives in that fact that they would not settle for a country that wasnt perfect. By pointing out every flaw in the act of independence, they pushed the others to be truly devout in their belief of it. Thanks to them our breaking from great britan was all the more historic.
If John Adam didnt have the personality that he did then we would have never gotten anywhere with the issue of independance because those who were voting for independance wouldnt have spoken up.
John Adams got little respect from the congress. He was loud, obnoxious and very stubborn, as many people have already said. Many people disregarded the question of independence for a while because John Adams was the one bringing it up. Actually, quite a few members in the congress were obnoxious and self centered. Ben Franklin however, was liked by everyone, and people always listened to what he had to say.
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The major role of personality that I saw was that of John Adams. He wasn't allowed to give the "independence resolution" because he was overwhelmingly viewd as loud and obnoxious.
The personality of John Adams to others was loud and obnoxious. A lot of people thought that in the congress. Some people in the congress only thought that John Adams wanted independence just for himself because Adams thought his taxes were too high. Some state representatives thought it wasn't important enought to be discussed because of those things.
John Adams was the initial personality that turned people off of the independence discussions, but the Henry Lee, a gentleman from the south played a very pivotal role. He won over a lot of people who were against it solely because they did not like Adams.
The major role of personality that i saw was John Adams. In Congress, he was found to be obnoxious, so nobody really listened to what he had to say. John Adams was very bold and opinionated about his ideas, but so was the representative from Virginia(sorry. can't recall his name)to a point where John Adams and him got into a scuffle during the session.
Haha, very clever Scurvy Legs Mcgee. I also must agree that John Adams turned everyone off to the idea of independence buy bringing up the topic too frequently and too loudly. Richard H. Lee was also pretty obnoxious and full of himself. But to defend the early personalities, Ben Franklin charmed all the representatives with the idea of independence using his great wit and reasoning.
It was evident in the movie that John Adams was all for Independence. When he spoke in congress he was very intense and many of the delegates were openly frustrated and annoyed by what he said. Before they could even consider his proposals, they were against his personality so when they finally did hear what he had to say their dislike of him caused them to automatically dislike his opinions. Once Henry Lee came into the picture people were open to considering his ideas because they saw him as an honorable gentleman who surely knew what he was talking about.
While I think John Adams def. had a very outspoken personality and has a reputaion for it, i also think John Dickinson of Penn. was very arrogant and quick to point a finger. I also think what John Adams said about Dickinson always playing it safe so he wouldn't be in trouble with anyone was very true! And when you have two very outspoken people who tend to only see there way, they're going to butt heads!
Defiantly John Adams,he was the loudest,obnoxious,and well openly disliked as said by Ben Franklin. Also Richard Henry Lee, a loud crazy southerner seemed to stand out in the movie because without him, independence wouldn't have happened.
clearly, John Adams was discriminated upon by his boisterous and somewhat annoying personality on the issue of independence. The colony representatives couldn't broaden their horizons enough to see past their personal vendettas towards Adams and value what was good for their country, not their pride.
As everyone has pointed out before me, John Adams was loud, outspoken, and determined to achieve independence, although it wasn't what all the colony's wanted. but i would also like to point out that the senators may not had the people's best interests in mind when they made discisions on everything, not just independence. The senators may have just been keeping their own interests in mind. and i greatly appreciated it when the senator from Georgia said that he voted "nay" on the behalf of the people he represents, and not on what he personally thinks, and that, i think, is the largest effect that individual personalities had.
As everyone else already beat me to saying, John Adams personality played a pivitol role in that since people saw him as loud and obnoxious, no one wanted to side with him. However, I felt that they made the Virginia representative seem almost stupid, and that was the reason he sided with Adams and fought for independence alongside him. They also made Franklin to be the very wise, genius he was and they made the representative from Pennsylvania very arogant, which was shown as indirectly as he refused to side with independence.
The personalities of major figures, did indeed play a major role in the early discussion of the concept of Independence. Two of the largest personalities we saw in the first few scenes of the movie, were those of John Adams and Benjamin Franklin. John's personality was very strong in the sense that all he thought about was how he wanted independence for the colonies. Franklin was the same way, but he let the representatives with different ideas speak their mind. He was more lenient toward them than John was, even though he strongly believed in the need for Independence.
The personalities definately had an effect on how things turned out. John Adams was indeed portrayed as loud, obnoxious, and he repeated himself so much that people started ignoring him...or trying to at least. Alot of the representatives were followers, they waited to see what other people said, and would just do the same. Alot of people were followers with the concept of Independence. There were those who were strongly for it, strongly against it, and then there was the others. They were influenced by one side or the other, because they couldnt make up their own minds
As most everyone else has said, John Adams was obnoxious and argumentative, trying to get others to discuss the issue of independence. Since he was already disliked, trying to open up a discussion of idnependence was out of the question. They all thought he wanted to do it for himself, not really trying to help represent his colony. I also agree with skcowgirl about Richard Henry Lee.
The Personality of John Adams really stood out to me because he was very obsessive with the face that the colonies needed to declare independance and he was not getting the support he needed be he still kept fighting and being very stubborn about the indepenedance of the colonies. I see the personality of John Adams to be a great leader. Each group needs somebody like him to get a point across.
Providing a foil to the obnoxious-ness of John Adams, Richard Henry Lee played a pivotal role in getting the topic of Independence onto the floor of Congress. Without Lee (and therefore Virginia), it is my belief that the USA would still be a british colony, today.
As many of the bloggers have already stated the personality of Samual Adams was a prominent component in turning other congresional leaders of the colonies against the proposed independence. His controlling smug personality made people not want be in alliance with him almost putting the independence of the nation in jeopardy. Also the personality of the delegate from Rhode Island shows that one may be written off as a drunk but at the end can have a major role in the independence.
Including John Adams, as well as few others, the personalities of the people who present the concepts [whether it be independence or any new law] has a huge role in how well it goes over with everyone else. If something is presented well and made to sound convincing, there is a higher chance that more people will be drawn to it and agree. The opposite is true as well; if the presenter only seems half into the idea, not many others will consider it. Although with Adams, he was almost too into it. There were only so many times the rest of the committee was willing to hear his pitch about it. His over persistence made them pull away from the idea because they were sick of him, not just the idea.
Major figures' personalities played a huge role when it came to discussing the very idea of independence, as it does in many situations; people are often biased that way...if that makes sense. Most of the other representatives simply could not stand John Adams' proud, opinionated and brazen personality, and because of that they would not even bother to hear his argument - so, stubbornly, he forced it upon them over and over. If calm and witty Ben Franklin hadn't convinced fiery Adams to stand down and allow amiable, more...er...pleasant Lee to take a chance, things'd be quite different. Sometimes being stubborn helps, but it gets you nowhere with other stubborn people.
Personalities played a major role because everyone had a different one. Adams personality was very commanding and one minded. Franklin on the other hand with age on his side was more laid back and new things would get done but it would take time. Then there was Lee the happy go lucky I can do anything kind of personality thrown into the mix. Together I believe each personality helps the other balance out. In a time where people had such set opinions sometimes it is good having someone as fiery as Adams in there to really get them rallied up.
They personalities played a MAJOR role in the early discussion of Independence, because if it wasnt for their bositerous. challenging personalities, then they would'nt have ever said anything!!! But they were obnoxious enough to stand up for their rights, and that was the first step!
Everybody played a pivotal role in this film. Ben Franklin had the smart, witty humor, that not only lightened up the film, but gave an insight to how intuitive he actually was.
I agree with black lizzy, adams'proposals wwere rejercted due to the fact that he was annoying and loud but when someone who was viewed as a "gentleman" proposed the idea of revolution, the congress agreed to debate it.
Yes, John Adams being obnoxious and disliked played a pivotal role in the early discussion of "Independence" - he was like a broken record and the delegates tried to tune hime out. I like what tiffany jagger said how a lot of the representatives were followers. One of the men from Pennsylvania just wants the other delegate to like him so he agrees with whatever he says no matter what; giving in to "peer pressure". Henry Lee's strong reputation caused other's to listen and change their minds, and good humored Ben Franklin was smart and well-respected by everyone(a plus for independence).
Many people have brought up the fact that John Adams does have a very demanding, passionate and firm personality. This definitely fires up the Congress and it could even change one's view of the entire concept of independence. When you see someone is so passionate about something it shows that what they are saying may be true because they put in a lot of thought and feeling into it. But it could also not be something you agree with, it could be only an opinion. Then there is also Ben Franklin, the elder who is very laid back about what is to come in the future. I feel part of this reason could be because he is old and is not going to be around for that much longer. And he is aware of that.
i agree with slappy. most of the "representatives" were self centered white oligarchs who were not worried about the common man's thoughts and interest. only a few characters were which made them stand out. John adams, tomas jefferson, and ben Franklin
You all are missing the fact that Edward Rutledge and Dickinson are the reason that our independence was such an amazing occurance. I think they played a larger role than any other two representatives in that fact that they would not settle for a country that wasnt perfect. By pointing out every flaw in the act of independence, they pushed the others to be truly devout in their belief of it. Thanks to them our breaking from great britan was all the more historic.
If John Adam didnt have the personality that he did then we would have never gotten anywhere with the issue of independance because those who were voting for independance wouldnt have spoken up.
John Adams got little respect from the congress. He was loud, obnoxious and very stubborn, as many people have already said. Many people disregarded the question of independence for a while because John Adams was the one bringing it up. Actually, quite a few members in the congress were obnoxious and self centered. Ben Franklin however, was liked by everyone, and people always listened to what he had to say.
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